Уикипедия:Заявки към администраторите/2008/32

About an insulting template

Greetings! I wish to inform you about this userbox: Шаблон:Потребител mk/bg. I think that a lot of people find this template insulting: it's in the Template (Шаблон) namespace, but it represents a POV - that the Macedonian language is a dialect of the Bulgarian language. Please, either delete or at least migrate this userbox in the User namespace. See this for more info. Thank you, Brainmachine 17:12, 4 август 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Brainmachine. First of all: congratulations for your adminship, I understood that you recently got the tools on mk.wikipedia. I'm sure you'll use them wisely and as rarely as possible. And I am pleased to notice that you liked and borrowed the design of our administrative pages.

As one of the administrators here, I'd like to present my POV on the case you point out. Regarding the place of your request, and as much as I personally dislike 90% of the currently existant userboxes here, I don't think that deletion of a heavily used userbox is an action of administrators' discretion. Decision should be reached in the course of a community discussion, involving as many as possible users who have the box on their pages. Please, raise such a discussion on the template talk or our Village pump, inform the affected users and consider that not all of them may have a good command of English language

Please, have in mind that in past discussions on template deletion, the local community has strongly supported the freedom of creation and usage of various (more or less POV) userboxes, so I'd be really interested to see the outcome of this one. Yet, substituting the template might be a mutually acceptable way-out. Cheers, →Спири 17:54, 4 август 2008 (UTC)

Besides, userboxes stay only in userpages. That's one's personal viewpoint, you can't judge people because of their thinking. Jews, for example, can get insulted from Nazi userboxes, Muslims - for anti-muslim userboxes, Christians - for Satanic userboxes and so on. I've seen such examples, and the use of various userboxes is widespread in Wikipedia. You may not like it, but that's the situation - everyone seeks to express himself. – Tourbillon ^Да ? 18:16, 4 август 2008 (UTC)

Well, Tourbillon, I would not dare to give extreme examples, and I doubt that nazi userbox templates and alike may really survive onwiki, look here, here, here, here, here, here. The case is somehow deeper, and apart of the emotional it has a purely technical side, too. Self-identification by means of noisy colourful tables floating in the right does not obligatory involve usage of pages in the Template Namespace. These userboxes may be implemented as inlined tables, which will even make them more easily customizable, though a bit longer if measured in bytes of source code. This may also save us from redundant categorization and detection by means of Whatlinkshere: two features which I, personally, would only keep for practical encyclopedic and wiki-centric templates like Babel and other specific competences. I'd strongly support if the discussion is held maturely and on a bit higher level, i.e. not focusing on the particular bg/mk template but on whole classes of templates that might be considered POV and unencyclopedic. BTW, such a discussion has been also planned in the frames of the recently launched wikiproject Уикипедия:Проектиране на шаблони. Good occasion to understand the current trends of preferences in the community. →Спири 20:11, 4 август 2008 (UTC)

The same argument applies to Шаблон:Потребител mk - it also includes only one of the POVs on the subject. --Спас Колев 14:58, 6 август 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, sorry for the late reply. (I forgot!) Better late than ever Tnx Спири, I'm looking forward to cleaning up the image-mess that is our project. Btw, I don't follow: ...I am pleased to notice that you liked and borrowed the design of our administrative pages.... If you're talking about the lolcats, damn, I've been posting them on 4chan since they became a meme. I really didn't knew that bg.wiki is so found of felines and lulz. Now I see that you have them on help pages too. U guys r nuts. Also, sorry for writing here (in the administrator's noticeboard), but I said to myself, hey, why not? When I was thinking userbox migration, I thought maybe it's a job for the sysops. About "cleaning up userboxen", I must say that I agree that it needs to be done (even thou I'm a huge userbox fan) because of these types of situations when someone gets offended (like me and many, many others). We have the same types of userboxen over at our project and I know it's not going to be easy to clean them up. I'm not going to discuss this template in particular or any other userbox. Simply, it's no. 2082402842 on my priority list. Like I haven't got enough work as it is! About this userbox, you might consider just migrating it out of the Template namespace to the user namespace (so that the impression that it represents an official policy - like a babel template, is avoided). That was my suggestion above. Frankly, at this point, it's really not that important, come to think of it. You know, I respect POV outside articles, but if we're talking politics, statements like „...The same argument applies to Шаблон:Потребител mk - it also includes only one of the POVs on the subject....“ really scare me a lot, because you are denying my human right of self-proclamation (what am I, and which language I'm speaking). Sorry for nagging, but it's a very painful subject. Dudes, face it, please. We are not the same people. You are what you are and you speak what you speak, we are what we are and we speak what we speak. And furthermore, we != you. So lets be friends and just write some useful stuff together, like science, arts, biographies and everything that is useful and encyclopedic. O-k, I'm gonna shut up now. :/ Tnx again, Спири, you can ask me for any assistance/cross-project collaboration (and I hope vice versa). Peace, niggaz --Brainmachine 02:02, 24 август 2008 (UTC)

„We are not the same people“ - this is obvious to me. But the people should be able to express their opinion on their own user pages. This is raison d'être of most of the user boxes (Шаблон:Потребител mk was just an example ). --Спас Колев 13:38, 29 август 2008 (UTC)

Административно деление на Папуа Нова Гвинея

Моля заглавието на статията Административно деление на Папуа Нова Гвинея да бъде променено на Административно деление на Папуа-Нова Гвинея,защото забравих да напиша тирето!Благодаря! --Derision 11:53, 5 август 2008 (UTC)

Готово (от Daggerstab). --Спас Колев 14:58, 6 август 2008 (UTC)

Уикипедия 60 000 статии на български

Знам,че може би не е тук мястото,където да попитам,но има ли някаква възможност на началната страница на българската Уикипедия да се сложи шаблон по случай 60 000 статии,които вече съдържа Уикипедия?Все пак си е кръгъл "юбилей",та за това питам.Сигурно не може,ама все пак... :) --Derision 16:26, 7 август 2008 (UTC)

Възможно е, но според мен не си струва. Броят статии е от все по-малко значение. --Спас Колев 14:10, 8 август 2008 (UTC)

Още повече, че там си я има вълшебната думичка {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}. →Спири 14:15, 8 август 2008 (UTC)

Качване

Преди ден-два можеше да се качват снимки в Общомедия. Сега казва, че трябва да търсим адм. Прон 17:15, 8 август 2008 (UTC)

Не, само локалното е спряно. В Общомедия може да се качва, но в момента не е активна връзката до там, щото на умните девелопъри трябва по сто пъти да им се обяснява едно и също нещо. Надявам се скоро ще си оправят мърльотиите... Дотогава, последвай тази препратка и си там: commons:Commons:Upload/bg →Спири 17:58, 8 август 2008 (UTC)

Благодаря, Спири ! Справих се през твоя линк. Между другото завчера беше вече много по-лесно за качване от нашата уики. Прон 18:22, 8 август 2008 (UTC)

Проблемът с връзката Качване е решен, отново съдържа инструкции и връзка за качване в общомедия. →Спири 12:40, 9 август 2008 (UTC)

Адриано Лейте Рибейро

Моля да бъде преместен само като Адриано име, с което е известен както по-вечето бразилски футболисти. Прон 11:35, 9 август 2008 (UTC)

Оправих го. Не видях, че имало пояснение. Прон 12:14, 9 август 2008 (UTC)

Валдир Перейра

Моля да бъде преместен като Диди според посочените в статията енциклопедични източници, а и така е бил първоначалния вариант незнайно защо преместен от Златко Кръстев. Прон 13:51, 9 август 2008 (UTC)

(от Nk) --PetaRZ ¬ 15:17, 9 август 2008 (UTC)